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Seeing Allah
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Shia say God has no body. So can not be seen. If Sunnis say He can be
seen, they have to admit that He has a body. If not, how can be seen?
A brother wrote:
>The answer is very simple. The Quran speaks of the hereafter as being
>another kind of universe operating with different laws.
>If you can understand the verse below, you will also be able to understand
>the "hands" of Allah (far exalted above what they ascribe unto Him).
>For indeed it is not the eyes that grow blind, but it is the hearts, which
>are within the breasts, that grow blind. [Quran 22:46]
Dear brother the Quranic verse you quoted has nothing to do with my
question. Hereafter has different laws, but it does not change the Person
of God. If you want to see God, you should either see the whole God (i.e.
your eyes should catch the whole God) which means you have limited God,
or you should see a part of God (i.e. your eyes has captured a part of
Him) which means you have partitioned God.
Both cases are in contradiction with Islamic belief that Allah, Exalted, is
unlimited and has no part and organ. Moreover your belief in seeing God is
in contradiction with clear text of Quran, in which Allah says that:
"Sight cannot catch Him" (Quran 6:103). The verse does not exclude
Hereafter from this rule, therefore it covers everywhere.
There is no doubt that Sunni scholars believe that Allah can be seen
(at least in Hereafter). To prove that it is logically wrong, I was using
A COUNTER ARGUMANT. That was: If Sunnis believe that Allah can be seen,
then they have to admit that Allah has body. They have to admit that either
He is limited or He has parts and organs.
Shia believes that Allah does not have any body. Also He can not be seen
anywhere. He has no part, no organ. He is unlimited.
>Is it your personal preference or a part of shia teaching to use so
>much logic? As you see when you use too much logic you may confuse people
You are exactly pointing at one of the most important difference between
Shia and Sunni schools of thought. As mentioned in the article of "Basic
Differences...", the place of reason in religion is one of the most
important issues that distinguishes Shiats from Sunnis. According to our
teaching, all basic beliefs should be understood by one's ability. We can
not follow what our scholars say about basic beliefs unless our mind
recognizes them to be right and rational. These basic beliefs include
believing in God, believing in the unity of God, some of His attributes,
believing in the necessity of sending prophets and their successors,
believing in the necessity of Justice and Grace (Lutf) for God, etc.
No imitation is accepted by Allah for those basic beliefs. For a person who
imitates his mother and father and scholars on these kinds of issues, his
identity as being Muslim IS UNDER QUESTION. Of course, every body is
responsible in this matter to the range of his ability in thinking and
reasoning. Those proofs needs to be more sophisticated for a person who has
more ability in logical reasoning.
Once those basic beliefs were proved by mind, then the person can follow
other commands of Allah without asking about them, because they are not
included in those basic beliefs. We don't ask why Fajr prayer is two units
(RAKAT). We don't ask why we should make ablution (WODU) before prayer. We
don't ask why we should fast during RAMADAN. We just follow whatever Allah
and His messenger asked us to do in these matters without asking why.
So I think it is now clear that why do we use too much logic for the basic
beliefs. This is the difference between human and animal, that human can
THINK, and we should use this ability otherwise we are not different from
them. In hundreds of places of Quran, Allah invites us to THINK and not to
imitate the others since we may go astray.
Allah said in Quran: "They say: enough for us are the ways we found our
fathers following. What if their fathers had no knowledge and guidance?"
(Quran 5:104)
He also said: "The worst human for Allah, is the deaf and the dumb who does
not use his logic." (Quran 8:22)
He Exalted also said: "They say (in Hell) that if we had listened or used
our intelligence, we would not have been among the companions of the
blazing Fire." (Quran 67:10)
So Allah encourages us to think rather than to follow blindly. Now, the
subject of seeing Allah is also one of the things that you should not
hesitate to ask your scholars why.
>Is there any kind of teaching that human kind is going to have
>same limitations in hereafter. Your postings in some context suggest that
>people in paradise are going to function like they used to in this world.
I never said so. We confirm that there are extended laws governing the
Hereafter. But THE PERSON OF GOD WILL REMAIN THE SAME. Those laws will not
affect the person of God and His attributes.
>From where do we get this teaching that Allah (SWT) needs
>a body or an organ to be seen by the people in the paradise if He (SWT)
>wants to be seen. To me you are still operating in this Dunya.
>...please do not give me logical reasoning
>From logical reasoning. But since you don't like it, I don't continue.
Peace.
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Is the God a Shape-shifter? (Does God have finger and leg?)
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The Twelver Shi'ites believe that God has no shape, no physical
hand, no physical leg, no physical body, and no visible appearance.
He does not change along with the time, or does not occupy
any physical place. Under no circumstances, God changes. There comes
no TIME frame upon him. He has created time, and physical places.
This is one of the most important bases of shiat. However, there are
quite a few traditions in Sehah (specially Bukhari and Muslim) in which it
is assumed that God has such attributes. Since shiat sect knows what
is wrong with hadith, shiat was very kind not to declare this sect of
sunni as MISGUIDED (or Kafir) so far (because of this subject only,
other subjects have their own place). This article is already long due
to the references I am giving. Only a few questions have accompanied
with these references, and the discussion will be for future.
1)- Does the God have finger(s)?
In the first and the fourth hadith, the prophet smiles AND confirms this
(from sunni sources). In the second and the third, the prophet only
smiles, which is known as confirmation of the prophet toward a subject.
For your information, all of these traditions are declared as
"Israeeleeat" (which are intered by jews in islamic theology) and
rejected for one simple reason:
They are in logical disagreement with the book of the God.
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The following traditions have been taken from:
The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari
Arabic-English
Dr. Mohammad Muhsin Khan
Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara
Kaze Publications.
1529 North Wells Street, Chicago. ILL.60610(USA)
(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)
Call Number: BP135.A124E54
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9.510:
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Narrated 'Abdullah:
A Jew came to the Prophet and said, "O Muhammad! Allah will hold the
heavens on a Finger, and the mountains on a Finger, and the trees on a
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Finger, and all the creation on a Finger, and then He will say, 'I am
^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
the King.' " On that Allah's Apostle smiled till his premolar teeth
became visible, and then recited:--
'No just estimate have they made of Allah such as due to
him....(39.67) 'Abdullah added: Allah's Apostle smiled (at the Jew's
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statement) expressing his wonder and believe in what was said.
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9.511:
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Narrated 'Abdullah:
A man from the people of the scripture came to the Prophet and said,
"O Abal-Qasim! Allah will hold the Heavens upon a Finger, and the
^^^^^^^
Earth on a Finger and the land on a Finger, and all the creation on a
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
Finger, and will say, 'I am the King! I am the King!' " I saw the
^^^^^^^
Prophet (after hearing that), smiling till his premolar teeth became
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visible, and he then recited: -- 'No just estimate have they made of
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Allah such as due to him... (39.67)
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9.543:
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Narrated 'Abdullah:
A Jewish Rabbi came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Muhammad! Allah
will put the Heavens on one finger and the earth on one finger, and
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the trees and the rivers on one finger, and the rest of the creation
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on one finger, and then will say, pointing out with His Hand, 'I am
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the King.' "On that Allah's Apostle smiled and said, "No just estimate
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have they made of Allah such as due to Him. (39.67)
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9.604:
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Narrated 'Abdullah:
A priest from the Jews came (to the Prophet) and said, "On the Day of
Resurrection, Allah will place all the heavens on one finger, and the
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Earth on one finger, and the waters and the land on one finger, and
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all the creation on one finger, and then He will shake them and say.
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'I am the King! I am the King!'" I saw the Prophet smiling till his
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premolar teeth became visible expressing his amazement and his belief
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in what he had said. Then the Prophet recited: 'No just estimate have
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they made of Allah such as due to Him (up to)...; High is He above the
partners they attribute to Him.' (39.67)
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Sufuism is almost in every religion, in jewish, in christianity, in sunni
sect, and in shiat sect. However, Twelver Shi'ites does not agree with
this theology. Although some of knowledgeable people from this sect have
accepted this theology, it is widely rejected.
2)- In the following hadith, the God shifts his shape to allow his
believer to see him and accept him as true God. Just a few more
questions:
a)- How do you know God in this world (right now that you are
reading this article)? Assume that you are
a faithful and you will certainly go to heaven. My
question is that based on this hadith, you know God's
shape already, in this world. You will not know God when
you see him first and you will say that he is not your God.
Can you tell me how is your God?
b)- Is the God with the same visisbility of Moon and Sun?
c)- Does the God changes his shape to fit to your definition
in the other day?
d)- Why Allah comes and returns and THEN comes back. My
question is why TIME is passing on him on the other day?
(That is enough. Please be patient and see my comments on the second
hadith.)
(This hadith and the next one are narrated in sahih muslim too:;h
Chapter LXXXI, pp 115-119, #349, #350, #351, #352, #353, #354,
and p1533, #7078)
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Sahih al-Bukhari, v9, p390, part (A):
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9.532A:
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Narrated 'Ata' bin Yazid al-Laithi:
On the authority of Abu Huraira: The people said, "O Allah's Apostle!
Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" The Prophet said,
"Do you have any difficulty in seeing the moon on a full moon night?"
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They said, "No, O Allah's Apostle." He said, "Do you have any
difficulty in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They said,
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"No, O Allah's Apostle." He said, "So you will see Him, like that.
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Allah will gather all the people on the Day of Resurrection, and say,
'Whoever worshipped something (in the world) should follow (that
thing),' so, whoever worshipped the sun will follow the sun, and
whoever worshiped the moon will follow the moon, and whoever used to
worship certain (other false) deities, he will follow those deities.
And there will remain only this nation with its good people (or its
hypocrites). (The sub-narrator, Ibrahim is in doubt.) Allah will come
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to them and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will (deny Him and) say, 'We
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will stay here till our Lord comes, for when our Lord comes, we will
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recognize Him.' So Allah will come to them in His appearance which
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they know, and will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our
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Lord,' so they will follow Him.
Then a bridge will be laid across Hell (Fire)' I and my followers will
be the first ones to go across it and none will speak on that Day
except the Apostles. And the invocation of the Apostles on that Day
will be, 'O Allah, save! Save!' In Hell (or over The Bridge) there
will be hooks like the thorns of As-Sa'dan (thorny plant). Have you
seen As-Sa'dan? " They replied, "Yes, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "So
those hooks look like the thorns of As-Sa'dan, but none knows how big
they are except Allah. Those hooks will snap the people away according
to their deeds. Some of the people will stay in Hell (be destroyed)
because of their (evil) deeds, and some will be cut or torn by the
hooks (and fall into Hell) and some will be punished and then
relieved. When Allah has finished His Judgments among the people, He
will take whomever He will out of Hell through His Mercy. He will then
order the angels to take out of the Fire all those who used to worship
none but Allah from among those whom Allah wanted to be merciful to
and those who testified (in the world) that none has the right to be
worshipped but Allah. The angels will recognize them in the Fire by
the marks of prostration (on their foreheads), for the Fire will eat
up all the human body except the mark caused by prostration as Allah
has forbidden the Fire to eat the mark of prostration. They will come
out of the (Hell) Fire, completely burnt and then the water of life
will be poured over them and they will grow under it as does a seed
that comes in the mud of the torrent.
Then Allah will finish the judgments among the people, and there will
remain one man facing the (Hell) Fire and he will be the last person
among the people of Hell to enter Paradise. He will say, 'O my Lord!
Please turn my face away from the fire because its air has hurt me and
its severe heat has burnt me.' So he will invoke Allah in the way
Allah will wish him to invoke, and then Allah will say to him, 'If I
grant you that, will you then ask for anything else?' He will reply,
'No, by Your Power, (Honor) I will not ask You for anything else.' He
will give his Lord whatever promises and covenants Allah will demand.
So Allah will turn his face away from Hell (Fire). When he will face
Paradise and will see it, he will remain quiet for as long as Allah
will wish him to remain quiet, then he will say, 'O my Lord! Bring me
near to the gate of Paradise.' Allah will say to him, 'Didn't you give
your promises and covenants that you would never ask for anything more
than what you had been given? Woe on you, O Adam's son! How
treacherous you are!' He will say, 'O my lord,' and will keep on
invoking Allah till He says to him, 'If I give what you are asking,
will you then ask for anything else?' He will reply, 'No, by Your
(Honor) Power, I will not ask for anything else.'
Then he will give covenants and promises to Allah and then Allah will
bring him near to the gate of Paradise. When he stands at the gate of
Paradise, Paradise will be opened and spread before him, and he will
see its splendor and pleasures whereupon he will remain quiet as long
as Allah will wish him to remain quiet, and then he will say, O my
Lord! Admit me into Paradise.' Allah will say, 'Didn't you give your
covenants and promises that you would not ask for anything more than
what you had been given?' Allah will say, 'Woe on you, O Adam's son!
How treacherous you are! '
The man will say, 'O my Lord! Do not make me the most miserable of
Your creation,' and he will keep on invoking Allah till Allah will
laugh because of his sayings, and when Allah will laugh because of
him, He will say to him, 'Enter Paradise,' and when he will enter it,
Allah will say to him, 'Wish for anything.' So he will ask his Lord,
and he will wish for a great number of things, for Allah Himself will
remind him to wish for certain things by saying, '(Wish for)
so-and-so.' When there is nothing more to wish for, Allah will say,
'This is for you, and its equal (is for you) as well."
'Ata' bin Yazid added: Abu Sa'id al-Khudri who was present with Abu
Huraira, did not deny whatever the latter said, but when Abu Huraira
said that Allah had said, "That is for you and its equal as well," Abu
Sa'id al-Khudri said, "And ten times as much, O Abu Huraira!" Abu
Huraira said, "I do not remember, except his saying, 'That is for you
and its equal as well.'" Abu Sa'id al-Khudri then said, "I testify
that I remember the Prophet saying, 'That is for you, and ten times as
much.' ' Abu Huraira then added, "That man will be the last person of
the people of Paradise to enter Paradise."
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In the following hadith which is very similar to that of mentioned
above, God has a special sign on his leg (or Shin). Would you please
tell us when you have observed such sign, what is this sign and how
misguided shiates can observe this sign such that they may know their
lord too? Please be kind, and let shiat become GUIDED. Thanks.
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9.532s:
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Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:
We said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of
Resurrection?" He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun
and the moon when the sky is clear?" We said, "No." He said, "So you
will have no difficulty in seeing your Lord on that Day as you have no
difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon (in a clear sky)." The
Prophet then said, "Somebody will then announce, 'Let every nation
follow what they used to worship.' So the companions of the cross will
go with their cross, and the idolators (will go) with their idols, and
the companions of every god (false deities) (will go) with their god,
till there remain those who used to worship Allah, both the obedient
ones and the mischievous ones, and some of the people of the
Scripture. Then Hell will be presented to them as if it were a mirage.
Then it will be said to the Jews, "What did you use to worship?' They
will reply, 'We used to worship Ezra, the son of Allah.' It will be
said to them, 'You are liars, for Allah has neither a wife nor a son.
What do you want (now)?' They will reply, 'We want You to provide us
with water.' Then it will be said to them 'Drink,' and they will fall
down in Hell (instead). Then it will be said to the Christians, 'What
did you use to worship?'
They will reply, 'We used to worship Messiah, the son of Allah.' It
will be said, 'You are liars, for Allah has neither a wife nor a son.
What: do you want (now)?' They will say, 'We want You to provide us
with water.' It will be said to them, 'Drink,' and they will fall down
in Hell (instead). When there remain only those who used to worship
Allah (Alone), both the obedient ones and the mischievous ones, it
will be said to them, 'What keeps you here when all the people have
gone?' They will say, 'We parted with them (in the world) when we were
in greater need of them than we are today, we heard the call of one
proclaiming, 'Let every nation follow what they used to worship,' and
now we are waiting for our Lord.' Then the Almighty will come to them
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He
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will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.'
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And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be
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said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?'
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They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin
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whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will
remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and
for gaining good reputation. These people will try to prostrate but
their backs will be rigid like one piece of a wood (and they will not
be able to prostrate). Then the bridge will be laid across Hell." We,
the companions of the Prophet said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the
bridge?'
He said, "It is a slippery (bridge) on which there are clamps and
(Hooks like) a thorny seed that is wide at one side and narrow at the
other and has thorns with bent ends. Such a thorny seed is found in
Najd and is called As-Sa'dan. Some of the believers will cross the
bridge as quickly as the wink of an eye, some others as quick as
lightning, a strong wind, fast horses or she-camels. So some will be
safe without any harm; some will be safe after receiving some
scratches, and some will fall down into Hell (Fire). The last person
will cross by being dragged (over the bridge)." The Prophet said, "You
(Muslims) cannot be more pressing in claiming from me a right that has
been clearly proved to be yours than the believers in interceding with
Almighty for their (Muslim) brothers on that Day, when they see
themselves safe.
They will say, 'O Allah! (Save) our brothers (for they) used to pray
with us, fast with us and also do good deeds with us.' Allah will say,
'Go and take out (of Hell) anyone in whose heart you find faith equal
to the weight of one (gold) Dinar.' Allah will forbid the Fire to burn
the faces of those sinners. They will go to them and find some of them
in Hell (Fire) up to their feet, and some up to the middle of their
legs. So they will take out those whom they will recognize and then
they will return, and Allah will say (to them), 'Go and take out (of
Hell) anyone in whose heart you find faith equal to the weight of one
half Dinar.' They will take out whomever they will recognize and
return, and then Allah will say, 'Go and take out (of Hell) anyone in
whose heart you find faith equal to the weight of an atom (or a
smallest ant), and so they will take out all those whom they will
recognize." Abu Sa'id said: If you do not believe me then read the
Holy Verse:--
'Surely! Allah wrongs not even of the weight of an atom (or a smallest
ant) but if there is any good (done) He doubles it.' (4.40) The
Prophet added, "Then the prophets and Angels and the believers will
intercede, and (last of all) the Almighty (Allah) will say, 'Now
remains My Intercession. He will then hold a handful of the Fire from
which He will take out some people whose bodies have been burnt, and
they will be thrown into a river at the entrance of Paradise, called
the water of life.
They will grow on its banks, as a seed carried by the torrent grows.
You have noticed how it grows beside a rock or beside a tree, and how
the side facing the sun is usually green while the side facing the
shade is white. Those people will come out (of the River of Life) like
pearls, and they will have (golden) necklaces, and then they will
enter Paradise whereupon the people of Paradise will say, 'These are
the people emancipated by the Beneficent. He has admitted them into
Paradise without them having done any good deeds and without sending
forth any good (for themselves).' Then it will be said to them, 'For
you is what you have seen and its equivalent as well.'"
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The following traditions are also narrated in Bukhari.
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9.529:
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Narrated Jarir:
We were sitting with the Prophet and he looked at the moon on the
night of the full-moon and said, "You people will see your Lord as you
see this full moon, and you will have no trouble in seeing Him, so if
you can avoid missing (through sleep or business, etc.) a prayer
before sunrise (Fajr) and a prayer before sunset (Asr) you must do
so." (See HadithNo.529,V1)
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9.530:
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Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, "You will definitely see your Lord with your own
eyes."
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9.531:
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Narrated Jarir:
Allah's Apostle came out to us on the night of the full moon and said,
"You will see your Lord on the Day of Resurrection as you see this
(full moon) and you will have no difficulty in seeing Him."
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The above traditions have been taken from:
The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari
Arabic-English
Dr. Mohammad Muhsin Khan
Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara
Kaze Publications.
1529 North Wells Street, Chicago. ILL.60610(USA)
(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)
Call Number: BP135.A124E54
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The traditions from Sahih muslim can be found in:
Sahih Muslim,
Rendered into English by
Abdul Hamid Siddiqi
Printed at Hafeez Press,
Sh.Muhammad Ashraf
Kashmiri Bazar, Lahore(Pakistan)
Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.A144E57
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From: kaamran@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca
Where is this God? / Where is this man?
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If you remember, we discovered that Allah has a few fingers, two legs
which are left leg and right leg, and a special sign on one of his
leg which is known only to my sunni brothers and they will know God
in Ghyamat (the other day) using this special sign on the leg of the
God.
When searching for the creation of Eva (woman) and Adam (man), I
finally found out more about the almighty God. He is smaller than
one of the buildings in New York city, or a tree. He is only 30
meters. Combining these signs of the almighty, I hope to become more
familiar with the God, the most high (!!).
I also urge islamic and nonislamic scientists to search for the first
human being on earth, named as Adam. He is 30 meters tall. Also, if
scientists carefully examine the remained skeletons along with
history, they have to be able to find a linear pattern for the hight of
human beings up to their father. The reason is that human being is
decreasing in its hight from 30 meters to 1.7 meters these days. I
assure scientists that any other results is wrong, and they have to
investigate more about this before finalizing their research. For
example, if they find ice-man to be almost as tall as the present man,
they must be wrong. The older, the taller the skeleton must be.
May Allah guide our scientists to the right path.
(In fact, I wonder why they do any research. They have to obey these
traditions and issue their scientific rules immediately. Although a
hadith is not equal to one verse of Quran, are we not supposed to listen
to traditions and obey them?)
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8.246:
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in His picture, sixty cubits
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(about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him),
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they
will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the
greeting of your offspring." Adam (went and) said, 'As-Salamu alaikum
(Peace be upon you).' They replied, 'AsSalamu-'Alaika wa Rahmatullah
(Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you) So they increased 'Wa Rahmatullah'
The Prophet added 'So whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the
shape and picture of Adam Since then the creation of Adam's
(offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
continuously) to the present time."
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4.543:
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When
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He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels,
and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation)
and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to
the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels
said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's
Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the
expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise
will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been
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decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.
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From: kaamran@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Allah does not resemble to his creatures
> Article: 7575 of soc.religion.islam
> From: dabbous@milou.inria.fr (Walid Dabbous)
> Then you said:
> >
> > Narrated Abu Huraira:
> >
> > The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in His picture, sixty cubits
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> > ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him),
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> > The "His" article here means Adam, which means that Allah created Adam
> in his picture, i.e. Adam was not a child then grew up like
> other people. This also means to refute darwinism: Adam was created
> in his known picture (60 cubits...) and did not derive from any other
> animal creature.
In the Hadith, the word which is used as "his picture" is :
Ala Soorateh
We know that Allah knew his plan for the entire world from the
beginning except that human beings are not aware of that. Such plan is
"PLAN". It is not a picture of something. When you say that you have a
picture, it means that you DO exist. You exist, hence, you have a
picture. So, picture is the attribute of an existing thing or human
being. That is why a photograph is called a "picture". If you see the
picture of an animal, you will say that such animal DOES exist, or it
DID exist. When Allah wanted to created Adam, there was no Adam.
There was no picture of Adam, since there was no Adam. As the rsult of
this reasoning, "His" in "His picture" refers to the God, and does not
refer to Adam.
On the other hand, a plan which is not implemented yet remains a plan
and is never referred as picture. The hadith could have been spoken as:
And Allah created Adam based on his plan, Or
And Allah created Adam by his knowledge, Or
And Allah created Adam by his power.
You can never find a single hadith anywhere (Even a garbage Hadith) that
is said:
And Allah created the earth in its picture.
And Allah created a cow in its picture.
There is no single verse in the so called Twisted bible or the book of
traditions where God has created an ass in its picture. There is, however,
some lines at the beginning of the old testement LIKE:
And Yahowah created Adam by his picture.
The reason is simple. When we are talking about a PLAN, it is a plan,
and it is not a picture. You doubt, ask 5 billion normal human beings
and they will tell you what they understand from this statement.
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From: kaamran@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca
The way that the God fills the Hell
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As you have realized by now, The God has a shape as human, 30 meters
tall, two legs with a special sign on one of his legs. This leg is
very helpful. Once it would be used to say "shut up" to the Hell.
I am also curious to know how many of you will use your feet to shut
off the fire. Thanks.
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
(that the Prophet said) "It will be said to the Hell, 'Are you
filled?' It will say, 'Are there any more (to come)?' On that Allah
will put His Foot on it, and it will say 'Qati! Qati! (Enough!
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Enough!)."
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6.373:
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Paradise and the Fire (Hell) argued, and the Fire
(Hell) said, "I have been given the privilege of receiving the
arrogant and the tyrants.' Paradise said, 'What is the matter with me?
Why do only the weak and the humble among the people enter me?' On
that, Allah said to Paradise. 'You are My Mercy which I bestow on
whoever I wish of my servants.' Then Allah said to the (Hell) Fire,
'You are my (means of) punishment by which I punish whoever I wish of
my slaves. And each of you will have its fill.' As for the Fire
(Hell), it will not be filled till Allah puts His Foot over it
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whereupon it will say, 'Qati! Qati!' At that time it will be filled,
and its different parts will come closer to each other; and Allah will
not wrong any of His created beings. As regards Paradise, Allah will
create a new creation to fill it with."
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Also, this Hell can not bear its hot environment on itself. I just do
not understand how such hot environment can creat cold weather too !!.
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4.482:
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The (Hell) Fire complained to its Lord saying,
'O my Lord! My different parts eat up each other.' So, He allowed it
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to take two breaths, one in the winter and the other in summer, and
this is the reason for the severe heat and the bitter cold you find
(in weather)."
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All traditions are from Sahih Bukhari:
The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari
Arabic-English
Dr. Mohammad Muhsin Khan
Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara
Kaze Publications.
1529 North Wells Street, Chicago. ILL.60610(USA)
(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)
Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.A124E54
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